Comments on: A new audio toy! (Reviewing the Zoom H2N recorder.) https://www.drivebyhighfive.net/2011/08/26/a-new-audio-toy-reviewing-the-zoom-h2n-recorder/ Creative Audio Sat, 10 Sep 2011 01:47:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0.4 By: Boston Dave https://www.drivebyhighfive.net/2011/08/26/a-new-audio-toy-reviewing-the-zoom-h2n-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-6872 Sat, 10 Sep 2011 01:47:17 +0000 http://www.drivebyhighfive.net/?p=794#comment-6872 Thanks for the review. A question for you: The problem some others and I had with the original H2 was that it usually distorted when recording loud rock music (read: snare drum) in small rehearsal spaces – no matter how we set level/gain/limiter. If you check the forums, this was a common issue for many. Do you know if the H2N gain wheel and/or limiter functions have solved this problem for those of us in LOUD bands? Any feedback would be appreciated.

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By: David https://www.drivebyhighfive.net/2011/08/26/a-new-audio-toy-reviewing-the-zoom-h2n-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-6866 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 20:30:58 +0000 http://www.drivebyhighfive.net/?p=794#comment-6866 Hi Brendan,

Thank you for such a great review, didn’t expect the sound quality to be that good, sounds absolutely amazing.

I was considering a MXL USB.009, but your demos have made me think differently. Particularly given that its half the price of the USB mic, and also portable, wow!

Take care and thanks again.

David

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By: Cesare https://www.drivebyhighfive.net/2011/08/26/a-new-audio-toy-reviewing-the-zoom-h2n-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-6853 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 15:43:10 +0000 http://www.drivebyhighfive.net/?p=794#comment-6853 I already took in consideration the zoom r16 or r24 option, but I don’t like them so much, plus I already have a mixer and a control surface. In the end I don’t need portability so much, guess I will buy just a simple audio interface so I can have zero latency, and maybe in the future a good microphone.
Thank you for your time and suggestions

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By: Brendan https://www.drivebyhighfive.net/2011/08/26/a-new-audio-toy-reviewing-the-zoom-h2n-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-6852 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:27:12 +0000 http://www.drivebyhighfive.net/?p=794#comment-6852 In reply to Cesare.

Yeah, I agree with your conclusions. Before the H2N I hadn’t considered any device without XLR jacks, and my big surprise was that I could use the H2N to record “broadcast-quality” interviews without needing to use my external XLR mics. But If you want to use it as a computer audio interface or as a DI with guitar, the H4N is definitely the better tool for the job. Having played around with a friend’s H4N, I’m not terribly thrilled with the sound (hiss!) of the XLR combo jacks, but simply having them as a connectivity option is a huge plus, particularly if you’re lining-in a healthy signal. And being able to adjust each input’s gain independently on the H4N is another huge plus. The H4N really wins on features and flexibility, if that’s what you’re looking for.

I did try the H2N in audio interface mode and though it works just fine, ultimately it’s a lot less useful as an interface without the XLR or 1/4″ inputs. Latency on the H2N was pretty typical for a USB audio device (on a Mac, at least), which is to say “good” but of course highly dependent on your buffer settings.

One other thing I noticed about the H4N was that the boot-up and menu navigation speed seemed a lot slower than the H2N, which is another reason the H2N makes a better “on the go” recorder. The H2N boots up and is ready to record in about 1 – 2 seconds.

It’s a different kind of recorder, but have you looked at the Zoom R-16/R-24? If you’re wanting a recording interface more than a portable 2-track recorder, it could be an interesting option: a battery-powered portable 8-track field recorder+audio interface+control surface. I’m skeptical about the preamps, though, having never used one myself.

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By: Cesare https://www.drivebyhighfive.net/2011/08/26/a-new-audio-toy-reviewing-the-zoom-h2n-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-6851 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 22:32:14 +0000 http://www.drivebyhighfive.net/?p=794#comment-6851 Thank you for your prompt and exhaustive answer. I was undecided in buying this or the h4n but maybe the h2n is better for me, at least for what I will use it, mainly live music reharsal recordings and as an audio interface between guitar and/or voice and a daw software.

I think the h4n is more complete though, even especially for the direct multitrack capability and the various “onboard quick” effects, as well as better external quality (xlr in) and the ability to select 2 different gains for each stereo input (internal and external) and other little options. Well the included accessories add one more point to the h4n… writing all this stuff I’m realizing that maybe the 90 euros difference are worth it…

By the way, in conclusion I think that maybe the h2n is more practical and immediate for “on the go” recordings and maybe its 5 mics offer more versatility (and maybe better quality too) than the 2 of the h4n…

mmm… guess I’ll take little more meditation before my purchase.

Have you ever used it as an audio interface? does it have any latency?

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By: Brendan https://www.drivebyhighfive.net/2011/08/26/a-new-audio-toy-reviewing-the-zoom-h2n-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-6850 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 21:39:01 +0000 http://www.drivebyhighfive.net/?p=794#comment-6850 In reply to Cesare.

Yes! If you select 4-channel surround mode AND plug in an external mic (or any other 1/8″ input) the H2N will record two files, each as stereo pairs–one through the MS mics and one through the external input. (Note: you can only use the MS mics at the same time as the external input, as the X-Y mics are disabled by plugging in the external input.)

There are a couple caveats, though:
1) There’s only one gain knob for the entire device, so you can’t adjust the levels for the external input and the built-in MS mic independently. (So obviously you have to set your gain for whichever signal is hotter.)
2) For reasons that aren’t clear to me, you can’t record the MS mics in “raw” mid-side mode. This means that the stereo pair recorded by the internal mics aren’t encoded as MS coming directly out of the H2N. (Though, as Fran mentioned below, you could re-encode them in post.) You can still adjust the stereo width of the MS mics on the device itself before actually hitting “record,” and you can select anywhere from mono cardioid to 150 degree stereo. I suspect the folks at Zoom simply didn’t intend for people to be using the 4-channel “surround” mode for anything other than surround recording with the internal mics. Recording via the external input and the MS mic feels sort of like a serendipitous hack. (And the manual doesn’t seem to mention it.) I’m glad to have it, though, and have already found it useful for recording a concert direct from the mixing board and via the internal mics. It would be nice if Zoom enabled RAW mode in 4-channel mode in a future firmware update.

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By: Cesare https://www.drivebyhighfive.net/2011/08/26/a-new-audio-toy-reviewing-the-zoom-h2n-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-6849 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 21:15:34 +0000 http://www.drivebyhighfive.net/?p=794#comment-6849 Hi! Many thanks for your review. Really helpful. Could you please confirm me that it is possible to use simultaneously both an internal mic and an ext mic? In your last three audio examples you just used the external microphones right?

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By: Brendan https://www.drivebyhighfive.net/2011/08/26/a-new-audio-toy-reviewing-the-zoom-h2n-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-6848 Wed, 31 Aug 2011 05:39:51 +0000 http://www.drivebyhighfive.net/?p=794#comment-6848 In reply to Fran Guidry.

Absolutely true! Any stereo signal can be encoded, processed, and decoded, giving a lot of control over the image in post (regardless of whether it was originally recorded via MS).

And here’s a free (!) plugin (AU, VST and RTAS for both Windows and Mac) that helps tweak and visualize a stereo image: http://www.fluxhome.com/products/freewares/stereotool

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By: Fran Guidry https://www.drivebyhighfive.net/2011/08/26/a-new-audio-toy-reviewing-the-zoom-h2n-recorder/comment-page-1/#comment-6847 Tue, 30 Aug 2011 15:50:06 +0000 http://www.drivebyhighfive.net/?p=794#comment-6847 Just for your info, it is easy to adjust stereo width in post production regardless of the mic configuration used for the initial recording. With digital audio we can encode any stereo pair to a mid-side pair, adjust the balance between mid and side, even apply effects separately to mid and side, then decode them back to a new stereo image.

My H2n is supposed to arrive today. I can’t wait. Thanks for sharing your impressions.

Fran

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